Comments on: Mark Driscoll’s ‘Dance of Mahanaim’ XXX

By: Paul D. Morris, Ph.D.

Paul D. Morris, Ph.D. — Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:59:57 +0000

The comment about lust being “desire out of control,” is not just a good quote. It is based on the Greek word for “lust,” which is “epithumeo.” “Epi,” meaning “over,” or “above,” and “thumeo,” meaning desire. The universal definition for this word is indeed, “unmanageable desire.”

Jesus states (Mt. 5:28), that “if a man looks upon a woman to lust after her , he has committed adultery. . .” The word here for “woman” is “gune,” which HALF of the time in the New Testament is translated “wife.” One may with equal exigetical composure understand this passage to read, “If a man looks upon another man’s wife to desire her to be his wife, he has committed adultery already . . .”

This translation is consistent with the meaning of “adultery,” which is a violation of the marriage committment. It has nothing to do with the normal, pure, sexual impulse created by God and enjoyed by both genders.

PDM

By: ERIC

ERIC — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 12:48:19 +0000

HELP ME WITH MY MARRIAGE TEACH ME HOW TO LOVE MY WIFE UNCONDISHANALLY IF IT BE GODS WILL .THE LORD WILLTEACH ME AND GIVE ME AN OTHER CHANCE .LORD PLEASE FOR GIVE ME . PLEASE SHOW ME HOW TO LOVE THE WAY LOVE WAS MENT TO BE BEFORE ITS TO LATE .

By: jchase

jchase — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 22:53:58 +0000

Per the comment a few blocks up, just because a woman states something does not mean that it is then absolutely true…”look this one man and this other woman agree…must be true!”. That would be over justifying sexism for lack of good debate evidence. Do you have further research beyond your own experience that agrees with your stance that men are more visual than women? I would be interested in hearing that, not because I necessarily disagree, but because I haven’t read any and would like to be educated. Many girls masturbate, look at porn, and are turned on by visual stimulus. Take the “Notebook” for example; why do women and men usually both love that movie? 1) happy ending, and 2) great, romantic and hot sex scene.
Understanding that certain churches, schools and para-church organizations/institutions demolish the way that many women look at themselves is something that you might not understand. I believe women and men, generally, work on two different sets of emotions and mode of operations. Then there is me…and a lot of folks I know and we don’t work on those general terms. I have never, my whole life, fit into that box that someone painted for me and folks like you sustain; it is unhelpful to me as a person trying to be responsible of her sexuality and identity in Christ.

By: coldfire

coldfire — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 21:40:09 +0000

good quote. Thanks.

By: preacheral

preacheral — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 20:16:13 +0000

The best definition of lust I have ever heard is simply this. Lust is desire out of control.

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By: poopemerges

poopemerges — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:20:04 +0000

“This study, which itself carries several limitations, and I would argue more than a few major theoretical flaws…” read the whole article next time perhaps?

Question: Are you married? Do you have guy friends? Cause really I don’t need a study to tell me that an orange is orange. It just is. Neither do I need a study to tell me that my wife is less visual than I am… And as a pastor, anecdotally, having done lot’s of marital and premarital counseling I don’t need a study to tell me that it holds true there as well.

Secondly: In the part you are complaining about he was quoting Shaunti Feldman…a woman.

By: coldfire

coldfire — Sat, 15 Nov 2008 19:16:38 +0000

So you are saying that there are good kinds of commodization and bad kinds of commodization? I would tend to agree with this as well. How do we separate the good from the bad? This seems to also go well with your idea that there is good and bad lust, how do we separate the two?

By: Amanda Bidwell

Amanda Bidwell — Sat, 15 Nov 2008 07:37:20 +0000

I don’t know about getting rid of it in society (how could we do that? in large scales yes, like prostitution, but not the mental commodization) but I think it should be something that we discuss as Christian, and we respond to. I think on another side of the scale, with “lust” we don’t ever talk about good physical intimacy either. And so all sexual desire is then seen as a bad, or a guilt.

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